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Iran Is Bad News, But Pakistan Already Has Nukes

This week, there was front-page news that Iran had again tested missiles, this time with increased range sufficient to reach all its neighbors. There was some informed speculation that the story from Iran was not entirely the truth, and that the photographic evidence of the launch was digitally doctored, but Secretary Condoleezza Rice responded anyway with an assertion that the United States was prepared to defend its allies, implying that we would respond to any attack on Israel. This is something that has not been in doubt for sixty years and is not likely to change either. So the utility of reiterating it is not particularly clear, although stating the obvious is one of the things politicians do best. It gives the electorate an opportunity to do something it does rarely: agree with public officials.

Israel's recent air exercises have something to do with Iran's missile tests, and Iran's previous missile tests have something to do with Israel's recent air exercises. But rather than increasing hostility---it's difficult to imagine hostility any greater in peacetime---Iran and Israel are no closer to attacking each other than they have been for a long time. Even with leadership that can charitably be termed benighted, Iran is not likely to attack Israel. And assertions that the United States is preparing for war with Iran don't make much sense either, particularly in view of our international weakness, inadequate force structure, lack of political resolve, and a credibility that has been eroded by the adventure in Iraq.

It's true, of course, that if we had a high degree of confidence that we could eliminate Iran's nuclear development with a surgical air strike, it would be tempting to launch it, but for the moment, that is not likely to occur. And in any case, we have more pressing international concerns that have been pushed from the front page by Iran's posturing.

Among the developments that are much more troubling is the deterioration of the situation in Pakistan and its effect on our prosecution of the war on terror in Afghanistan. President Musharraf's grip on power has been slipping steadily and is now tenuous at best. Even though there are occasional offensive operations launched against militants in the northwestern tribal areas, where the Taliban and al-Qaeda maintain major bases, they have been episodic and not part of a long-term strategy to eliminate the threat. It's not entirely clear how much of the military Musharraf controls, and he is roundly disliked by the most important part of his or any country: the middle class. It's anybody's guess how long Pakistan will remain in its current state.

There are two dysfunctions generated by an unstable Pakistan. First, the erosion of the security situation in Afghanistan is a direct result of Pakistan's inability to eliminate militant bases just inside its border. Just as important is that, while Iran is developing nuclear weapons, Pakistan already has had them for quite some time. Indeed, Pakistan is the source of much of the proliferation of nuclear technology among nations whose possession of them is frightening to contemplate.

Of course, a focus on Iran's bellicosity and the danger of an unstable Pakistan are not mutually exclusive. But it is interesting that a noisy boast supported by a doctored photograph of dubious provenance grabs more attention than a genuine threat to world stability

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{"commentId":2171032,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

Perhaps you will discover that western-style secular tactics will run their course without the desired effect. It is important to know what motivates the party on the other side of a conflict. As Middle East Envoy Tony Blair has so ably argued, the mind-frame in the Middle East is different than that in the West. For example, upwards of ninety percent of the populace in traditionally Muslim countries considers religion important to their lives, whereas less than fifty percent of the populace of Europe does so.

This obvious difference requires a different tactic when negotiating competing interests in the Middle East. After all, the reports indicate that the terrorists are coming from the grass-root religious schools known as madrasah.

Perhaps westerners would be better served by building upon the local mythologies as the means for building cultural bridges and enhancing the chances for peaceful resolutions of conflicts. This is what I have always meant by "winning the hearts and minds".

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Reply#1 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":2172846,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

Everyone suffers from a bias of cultural perception, and westerners are no exception. In theory, the Department of State is supposed to be the repository of expertise steeped in cultural differences and anomalies, but a succession of administrations has done a poor job of integrating this knowledge into our strategy and policies.

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#1.1 - Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2176319,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

I live not far from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. Anyone familiar with its history knows of its role in the development of the first atomic bombs as well as the subsequent armaments of the Cold War. On-going legacies of Hanford are the nuclear waste and environmental clean-up problems.

Because of nuclear waste, I am not in favor of even atomic energy. I would like to see Iran drop nuclear energy as an option altogether. What would happen if Iran did so? Would the West likely come up with another excuse for ostracizing, even demonizing, Iran?

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#1.3 - Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
{"commentId":2179214,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

How much of the American policy of vehemence directed against Iran is baiting, vindictiveness, or the effect of lobbying by disenfranchised expatriates?

BAITING

To what extent is the "climate" between the United States and Iran fueled by Israel and Israel's supporters in the West, who perceive a threat against the Jewish State due to Iran's support of Hezbollah? Hezbollah first emerged during the Lebanese Civil War in the early 1980s as a militia of Shia followers of the Ayatollah Khomeini, trained, organized and funded by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Hezbollah is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, and other countries.

VINDICTIVENESS

Are relations between the United States and Iran exacerbated by the historical memory of the "black eye" dealt to the United States in 1979 when Iran stormed the US Embassy in Teheran and captured 52 American hostages, holding them for more than 400 days? Does the United States still want revenge?

DISENFRANCHISEMENT

The Iranian Revolution transformed Iran from a monarchy under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to an Islamic republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution and founder of the Islamic Republic.

In the wake of the revolution, many moneyed expatriates found haven in the West. It is reasonable to believe that they have a vested interest in the outcome of US-Iranian relations.

COMMENTARY

These are some that demand serious attention:

1. How political rather than substantive are Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's steady barrage of statements about Jews and Israel? After all the stream of comments, from the denial of the Holocaust to the more recent "Israel is a stinking corpse", are so incredible that they are becoming comical. Is Ahmadinejad just trying to boost his political standing at home by directing attention away from the real concerns of average Iranians, such as the economy and health care?

Is this tactic of "scapegoating" any different in style or effect, with the exception of the scapegoat he has chosen, than that of any western politician?

2. To what extent are the Western accusations of fundamentalism, attributed to Iranian Shia-ism, a false characterization, intended to alarm and alienate?

Is Shia Islam more or less conservative, or prone to fundamentalism, than the Sunni Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia, for instance? How would Shia Islam compare with the form of Islam practiced by the Taliban, or Southern Baptists for that matter?

CONCLUSION

Whereas Wikipedia cites cause for regarding the Iranian Revolution as the third greatest revolution in modern history, following the French and Bolshevik revolutions, I ask, What about the American Revolution? Irrespective of the answer, this notion underscores the Iranian Revolution's importance to the spread of Islam as a forceful movement in modern history that warrants credence as an object of study.

Policies based in an accurate depiction of history, culture, and motive are more likely to invoke moral authority and long-term successful relations between nations.

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#1.4 - Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Thank you (COL)Jack very good article I clipped it to my groups

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Reply#2 - Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":2172851,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

It's an important subject that gets far too little scrutiny, even among government officials.

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#2.1 - Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2171659,"authorDomain":"crankyman"}

I have always worried about the countries that no one else does. Pakistan is one. But that only concerns the middle east.

My main worry for many, many years has been China.

Do you have any insight on that Col.?

Maybe an article on China and the threat to all nations?

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Reply#3 - Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":2172904,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

China is a complicated entity, loosely bound until recently by the cult of Mao and now cemented together by a growing economy. Although the United States is the largest consumer of fossil fuels per capital, China uses more in an absolute sense and is growing dramatically. It has a very large armed force, much larger than ours, and is by far the strongest power in East Asia. It holds a large chunk of our debt as well. In history, when China has been internally weak, it has isolated itself, but when internally strong, as it is now, it has been expansionist. It is wise to be concerned. And by the way, it's interesting to note that the Chinese character for the country's name means, "Middle Kingdom," that is, the center of the world.

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#3.1 - Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2181332,"authorDomain":"iqballatif"}

Senator Joe Lieberman undertook a journey to Pakistan and met with nearly everyone who matters in the hierarchy of the nuclear command. His comments after his visit will help understand the shallowness of The Economist's report. US Senator Joseph Lieberman (Independent-Connecticut) on Wednesday appreciated the strong command and control system for the security of Pakistan's nuclear assets, saying he was impressed by the system adopted by the country to secure its nuclear weapons. Addressing a press conference here at a local hotel, Joseph Lieberman said Director General Strategic Planning Division, Dr. Kidwai, briefed him about the security system for the nuclear assets. He appreciated the professionalism of the staff entrusted to secure the strategic assets and said that he shared the concern of US with Dr. Kidwai about the safety of these assets.

http://iqballatif.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/22/1245866-the-worlds-most-dangerous-place-and-the-oil-is-5-the-economist

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Reply#4 - Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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Had the Iraq war not been started, Pakistan might be more in the spotlight for the way they've blackballed efforts to effectively remove Taliban and al Qaeda forces from the Afghani mountains. Now I fear those forces are too heavily entrenched with the Pashtuns and other tribal forces to be removed with ease. They've essentially built a fortress of human shields, requiring the diligence and discretion of special forces to be dealt with. Their caravans are the same way, moving in and out of Pakistan with regular civilians mixed in. I'd put forth the argument that our inability to see how the enemy would use our own ROE's against us has become our greatest weakness.

Anywho, the fractured state of Pakistan comes up in the newscycle now and again but, as the past months of increased Afghanistan violence have shown, it requires cooperation from everyone in the neighborhood.

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Reply#5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":2198427,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

Cooperation of others is surely needed. NATO has made a small commitment to the theater, but more needs to be done, and it's interesting that both Obama and McCain have the same message here. Pakistan has always had a problem with the tribal areas, and now that we are in the region, so do we. The fragmented nature of Pakistani politics these days (nothing new here, either) makes it difficult to operate against al-Qaeda and Taliban base areas. Whoever is the boss after the next election will have his hands full trying to stabilize Afghanistan, empower its government and destroy the enemy, who are based in a country with little motivation to help.

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#5.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2194919,"authorDomain":"mark-anania"}

It has always concerned me that the Israeli position in the mid east is more important to the U.S. than our own interest. For 60 plus years Israel has had the opportunity to export medicine and education in the mid east and instead has chosen to send out bombs and guns.

Sooner or later, Israel will need to find a way to live with her neighbors without the threat of the US military supporting ill-advised military adventures into other nations. Iran would be foolish to abandon their nuclear program with Israel holding over 200 nuclear devices, and a second strike capability. As for nuclear proliferation, it was the US who exported nuclear technology to Israel and destabilized the entire region.

Make no mistake, I am an american patriot - in uniform. But my interest in Iran developing a bomb is because of the threat to the United States, not Israel.

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Reply#6 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":2196329,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

I discussed the issues of ideology and loyalty in "Reflections Toward an Understanding of 'Israel'":

http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/23/1181837-reflections-toward-an-understanding-of-israel

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#6.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2198577,"authorDomain":"peteschnapp"}

Since the terrorist nation of Israel has had NBC's for decades, along with the terrorist nation of the United States of Amnesia, ( called thus because they so quickly forgot Eisenhower's CIA toppling Iran's gov in 1953), one must assume that Bush et al have already decided to lie us into yet another war to allow our lemmings to yet again die for Israel. Therefor, discussion itself is a moot point. Either the lemmings realize they are being used like a cheap hooker and refuse to go, or they accept the consequences of their idiocy.

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    Reply#7 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2200203,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    Are you suggesting a war with Pakistan, or Iran?

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    #7.1 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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