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War Over?

As is often the case, some of the candidates' positions are beginning to look similar, as the campaigns realize that the uncommitted voters represent the margin of victory. Obama's insistence on withdrawing all American forces from Iraq, no matter what the strategic or tactical consequences, has undergone something of a transformation, the result of a recognition of the realities of the situation. And McCain is now not willing to commit to keeping Americans in Iraq for a century and instead will follow a more sensible route to a phased withdrawal.

Each candidate has become smart enough to shed some (but admittedly not all) of his hyperbolic rhetoric on the subject of national defense, and he has been further motivated by changes on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq. (Their attention has also been drawn from the battlefield by the economy's problems, but most experts on the subject will tell you that government is capable of affecting things only at the margin, and that the single most powerful tool it has, confidence, is wholly a question of leadership, not econometrics.)

Because we focused on Baghdad rather than Kabul, the momentum created by early successes in Afghanistan has dissipated, and we and NATO need a renewed dedication to the strategic objective of eliminating the Taliban and al Qaeda there. Problems on the ground are exacerbated by Afghanistan's proximity to Pakistan, a place of fragmented society, unreliable military and intelligence forces, a weak president, terrorist sanctuaries, and nuclear weapons. It's hard to conceive of a recipe with greater potential for disaster. Something positive needs to be done in Afghanistan, and it needs to be done soon, facts about which both McCain and Obama agree.

On the other hand, successes in Iraq have driven both candidates to take a more measured and mature position on what remains to be done there. For example, US Marines will soon be completely gone from Anbar Province, a place that once resembled hell on earth. General David Petraeus's skillful employment of well-known counterinsurgency techniques, tactics that evidently eluded former Secretary Rumsfeld and the rest of the geniuses at the national command level, have been remarkably effective. Critics occasionally assert that success was hastened by a cease-fire declared by Moqtada al-Sadr, but the truth is that the proximate cause of his declaration was the American offensive against his militia. Similarly, there is success in Baghdad and other cities, too, and local leaders have been empowered by the improvement in the security situation.

Much remains to be done, and in a short time we can't do everything that needs to be accomplished. We can't affect the enmity among Shi'a, Sunni and Kurds. The Iraqi army is still incompletely trained, and not all units are proficient and reliable. The national police is riddled with corruption, as are many governmental offices. But, if the success of our brave troops has done anything, it has been to convince Barack Obama and John McCain that the choice is not limited to either endless combat or unilateral withdrawal, that we know how to defeat insurgencies, and that we had better not forget the lessons of Iraq if we want to have a chance to defeat the strategic enemy in Afghanistan.

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So if YOU were in charge, what would YOU do?

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Reply#1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":3560640,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

The crucial question is: in charge of what? If I am to achieve success in Afghanistan with the current strength of the armed forces, I must make compromises that may endanger the mission. Some small economies can be extracted from non-critical areas like Korea, but we need more conventional forces to provide security as we did in Anbar and far more advisors, intelligence professionals and special operations units in the force structure than we have currently. But we really need to increase the size of the Army and the Marine Corps by at least 15%, and that takes leadership at the national level---both in the executive branch and in Congress---and concurrence from our fellow citizens, neither of which we seem to possess.  In a larger sense, we will continue to be at risk without some form of national service and commitment to our own defense. If we insist on outsourcing our security to a relatively tiny group of brave Americans while the other 99.5% of us carry on as if we have no responsibility save paying taxes, we are taking chances we do not have to take. It would be worthwhile to heed the wisdom of Seneca: "Life is very short and anxious for those who neglect the past, ignore the present and fear the future."

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Reply#2 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":3560738,"authorDomain":"robertlyn-schultz"}

Col. Jacobs,

I thank you for a very thoughtful article on the subject of our current conflicts.  I have hope that political reconciliation is taking place in the Iraq government, and when we eventually move out of that AO, we leave a strong and decent government that the Iraqi people can count on to continue providing a stable environment for it's citizens to flourish in.

I think that we took the Afghan theater for granted and now that is going to require addition resources to quell the recent uptick in enemy activity there and the border areas of Pakistan.

Just the hopes of an old Combat Engineer.

Aloha

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Reply#3 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":3560939,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
Obama's insistence on withdrawing all American forces from Iraq, no matter what the strategic or tactical consequences, has undergone something of a transformation, the result of a recognition of the realities of the situation. And McCain is now not willing to commit to keeping Americans in Iraq for a century and instead will follow a more sensible route to a phased withdrawal.

I don't think this ever really reflected the true position of both candidates when taking away all the abreviations and all the spin exerted on it by the media, the biased and the partisan.

John McCain was in the early days a proponent of putting much more troops on the battle theater if that war would have to be won. If this is his mindset, then the "100 year" quote means in fact that he believes that the Iraqi campaign, the way the US does it, cannot be won and - remember, winning a war means consolidating power not carrying your troops into enemy territory - therefore would be stretched out into eternity.

And by the same mindset, when today McCain says that he knows how to win this war, from past quotes one can conclude what this strategy would be: 500.000 troops, full effort, attack Iran, probably draft in the process. No rocket sciences all of this; one just needs to analyse what the criticism of John McCain was back in 2003/04. So McCain says: Or big war or extended war for all times ahead that will never be won. He stands for "big war".

As to Obama, the idea that he would retreat the troops whatever the situation may be is equally a wrong interpretation of his words. Of course he would change the course to the effect that when troops leave, the country is in the best position possible. And we know that he would do that by talking to the powers in the region and get a stable peace agreement in the region without attacking Iran and without extending the war into eternity nor staging the "big war". Therefore he talks about negotiating with Iran without preconditions.

Any strategy has to start somewhere without preconditions and Obama's start would obviously be by engaging diplomatically to then be able to, in a second step, withdraw troops after diplomatic/regional conditions are met. The spin machine has always concluded both, withdraw without conditions and talk without conditions. That's obviously not the case - even for mere logical "timeline" reasons.

Obama promisses that conditions for withdrawal will be met within 18 months of diplomatic efforts - that's his real campaign promisse. But, if Iran amasses troops on its border, the US won't bring its own troops home just because 18 months are over. Something like that happened in Israel right after WWII (where the British withdrew while the Haganah was happily receiving shiploads of arms) and the consequences of this blunder can still be seen today.

Any serious analysts can have no doubt about the correct interpretation of the real positions at hand without selectively blinding out some of the information he has and without throwing Ockham's Razor out of the window.

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    Reply#4 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:35 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3561228,"authorDomain":"pmags"}

    I have to be the contrarian in this discussion and say that the current situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been determined by the Iraqis and Afghans.

    Much has been made of the American surge strategy in Iraq, but as I see it, from far away, admittedly, is that the Iraqis simply got tired of killing each other. The coalition occupation strategy was nothing more than appeasement of all the various political fronts present at the height of the crisis, i.e., aiding the Sunnis in the pacification of Bagdhad and the Northern provinces and limiting intervention in the Shia South.

    To suggest that the USA has created the conditions for nation building implies that the general Iraqi population are incapable of this same vision and that the invasion of this nation, as proposed and carried out by the current Administration cannot be blamed for the chaos that ensued.

    Insofar as Afghanistan is concerned, I believe that it was the abbrogation of the USA's lead role in the coalition. NATO forces, with the exception of the UK's, have limited themselves to a participatory role akin to the Balkan crisis, given the unexplainable reticence of the current Administration in the definitive destruction of the Taliban - Al Qaida infrastructure more than five years ago. Hence, the resurgence of a malevolent axis from the very same mountain ranges that US forces withdrew from years ago while NATO forces remain safe in cities. 

    War should never be inevitable, nor should it be a morass of errors of strategy. Armies don't go to war, nations do, and as a nation we have no one to blame but ourselves and the leaders we have elected to power.

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      Reply#5 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
      {"commentId":3587102,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

      The factors, in  my judgment, are not mutually exclusive. Progress in Iraq is a function of controlling Anbar and parts of Baghdad, of the Shi'a ceasefire, of the success of many Awakening Councils, of citizens tired of the carnage, of special operations based on good intelligence, of improving Iraqi army performance, of developing economic conditions in parts of Iraq, and a host of other things as well. But I think you are also correct that, in the end, peace and progress in Iraq will become the rule only if the Iraqis themselves make it happen. Whether Obama or McCain becomes the president, we will continue to reduce our presence there.

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      #5.1 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:16 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":3563059,"authorDomain":"lambchop"}

      Perhaps if Sen Obama wins, the young base he has inspired to register and (we hope) vote will be equally inspired to enlist in some form of National Service. Barring that, I would suggest a mandatory national service period of 18 mo to 2 years for everyone between 18 and 25 ,with educational deferments within that time period (or if you drop out of High School, commencing immediately). There are plenty of trees to plant, old people to look after, toddlers to be taught and bad guys to be fought! If a lottery within that group was selected for the military, we could increase the size of our forces and, perhaps even more importantly, EVERYONE would complete their "youth" by giving back to our country and learning important job skills to carry into later life. And with the size of American waist lines growing, a 6 week boot-camp could only be a good thing! Col., your ideas seem sound, have u considered running for Public Office? Jacobs for President? Hmmm!

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        Reply#6 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
        {"commentId":3563550,"authorDomain":"pmags"}

        You are advocating for a return of the draft. Do you agree with lamb chop Colonel?

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          #6.1 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3587208,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

          Running for public office is the province of those with more fortitude than I have. Among other things, one must grovel for money, pander to extremists, and be nice to people one cannot abide. And I'm almost as old as John McCain.

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          #6.2 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:28 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":3564821,"authorDomain":"lambchop"}

          I am advocating for more than a return of the draft, rather an increase in all individuals commitment to the improvement of the society in which we live. Doing "good" for others begets "good" in our own lives. Then again, there is truth in the saying "no good deed goes unpunished".

          We obviously need a larger fighting force, but we also need teachers, nurses, day care workers, tree planters, etc. By offering an 18 month "post graduate" hands on training experience we increase the education level of our young, giving them a skill set upon which to rely later in life.

          Bonus for society: more bodies than contribute to rather than drain the system.

          Addition Bonus: The Col. get the fighting men and women needed to "get the bad guys"!

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          Reply#7 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3565453,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

          Much remains to be done, and in a short time we can't do everything that needs to be accomplished. We can't affect the enmity among Shi'a, Sunni and Kurds.

          Perhaps you will find some guidance in "Reflections Toward the Future Form of an Iraqi Government":

          http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/18/2014483-reflections-toward-the-future-form-of-an-iraqi-government

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          Reply#8 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3587115,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

          Thanks for this.

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          #8.1 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:17 AM EDT
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