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Whither Afghanistan?

During the campaign, Candidate Obama said repeatedly that among Bush's mistakes was his involving us in Iraq, where there was no threat, while failing to focus resources on the real battle against terror, Afghanistan. This week, President Obama announced his first step in redressing this and is sending 17,000 American troops to Afghanistan. But it isn't entirely clear what they will do there.

Human beings have the curious trait of believing things to be true without evidence in support of them. Many observers--and I am among them---have said for so long that Afghanistan was the real battleground that we have all come to accept the truth of it. In the days just after 9/11, there was little doubt that the nexus of the attack was the Islamic revolutionary movement. And we drove these perpetrators out of Afghanistan, only to watch them wander back in a frustrating verification of the axiom that it takes more resources to hold an objective than it does to take it in the first place.

We are nearly a decade down the road and actually seem farther from success in Afghanistan than we were in the days after we routed the enemy. The resource-intensive nature of post-combat operations has already been mentioned, but there are other factors as well.

First, Afghanistan isn't Iraq. There has been a history of centralized government in Iraq, a cosmopolitan country with a tradition of cohesion, but Afghanistan is poor, fragmented and tribal. There is little infrastructure there, most of it constructed decades ago by the Russians, and at least partially as a result there is almost no legitimate economic activity. Anyone who thinks that propelling Afghanistan from the 8th Century into the 21st will take anything less than decades and trillions is not paying attention.

Second, economic development is a second-order result of security, and securing the provinces has not and will not be easy. One reason is that Pakistan is part of the solution, and, to paraphrase Eldridge Cleaver, it is now part of the problem. In a startlingly unhelpful decision, Pakistan has formally ceded control of its border with Afghanistan to the enemy. Pakistan's president found it too tough to deal with the region and has merely decided to ignore it. If you ask Obama's national security professionals what is our most pressing security problem, they will say that it is Pakistan. Without access to Waziristan and the assistance of Pakistan, it's hard to see how we can reduce---to say nothing of eliminate---the threat to Afghanistan.

And so what are 17,000 more American troops going to do in Afghanistan? It is difficult to say. How many do we really need? That's hard to say, too. Indeed, without a clearly articulated series of military, political and economic objectives in Afghanistan, one wonders how we intend to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, secure and maintain the allegiance of tribal chiefs, and forge a stable nation from a land that looks and operates today just as it has for more than a thousand years.

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{"commentId":5459584,"authorDomain":"menachembenyakov"}

Sir, As a recipient of The Congressional Medal of Honor you have earned the respect and admiration of your countrymen. As a former member of my own countries military I know full well the demands placed upon those who serve. I salute you.

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    Reply#1 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:32 AM EST
    {"commentId":5460961,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    Col. Jacobs, apparently what Petraeus is preparing to do is to bypass the largely ineffective Afghani army and police in favor of empowering (meaning arming) the local Pashtun tribesmen in the east and south to defend themselves against the Taliban (a term of imprecise art at this point). This course of action too has its own perils but you're right, until such time as the situation on the eastern side of the Durand Line is tended to little of this is likely to succeed.

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    Reply#2 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:33 PM EST
    {"commentId":5502976,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

    Yes, the whole strategy revolves around arming and training local militias, whose loyalties are to the tribe and chief and not to Kabul.

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    #2.1 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:16 AM EST
    {"commentId":5507294,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    Yes, and many of those local elders's loyalties can shift depending on perceived and actual need. The drug trade provides these tribes with a source of income and that trade amounts to 30% of Afghanistan's GDP, much of it controlled by the Taliban although to be fair all parties are engaged in it including ethnic Tajiks and Uzbeks like Dostum in the "friendly" Northern Alliance. But it's kind of a chicken and egg thing because without security, economic aid and reconstruction projects that might limit the appeal of this illicit activity cannot go forward effectively.

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    #2.2 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":5508159,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    Read Neron Kesar. He has a better chance of success in the next thousand years. Your success has the same people burying women and killing blasphemers, as long as they call you "friend," and never understanding why they would naturally welcome and be so naturally comfortable in the presence of any Bin Ladin clone, present or future.

    With Bin Ladin alive, you maintain this fuzzy connection to the reason for invading Afghanistan. But the problem of military analysts is that once there, the war changes from whatever it was, to figting only to protect the army. To make it safer for the army.

    So...go read Kesar. You can modify his plan a bit, and unify by converting to Islam. Before long you will wonder why you are there at all. Already you have mostly forgotten.

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    #2.3 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:29 PM EST
    {"commentId":5509004,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    Heh. I'll take that "bias" under consideration. ;>)

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    #2.4 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":5509214,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    You might enjoy the article I just posted for suitable Sabbath reading. I wrote it hurriedly last night, so if I overlooked some details, please let me know so.

    "Notes on the Second Beast of Revelation 13 in Relation to the Future of the Horn of Africa",

    http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/21/2462199-notes-on-the-second-beast-of-revelation-13-in-relation-to-the-future-of-the-horn-of-africa

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    #2.5 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:46 PM EST
    {"commentId":5509407,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    I little "bias" kickstart is in order, when on cannot see the problem of life sentences or death sentences for non-Arabic translations of Koranic verses, issued by "friends," or death sentences for conversion, etc.

    Just how many Americans are you willing to bet on the approach that seems to be using old National Geographic magazines to develop policy?

    When the place starts to make sense, one has been there too long. Petraeus...wants soldiers living among the people peacefully. Sure, more casualities initially, but less in the long run.

    Just convert and be done with it. (Actually, I wondered if you already had.)

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    #2.6 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":5509732,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    You're still my guy, Neron.

    “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God” (Revelation 19:15). Also, Revelation 2:27; 12:5.

    All the experts are running around with their plans, afraid to even mention religion, as they might offend someone.

    You, on the other hand, recognize that being politically correct requires massive stupidity, then convincing onself that it it not stupid, with policies following close along, when it is blind righteousness, with "right" not really even mattering, that these people understand.

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    #2.7 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:22 PM EST
    {"commentId":5509995,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    Speaking of Afghanistan, the New York Times is now reporting that the Obama administration is affirming the Bush policy on holding detainees there without redress to habeas petitions and the like. This fact will be studiously avoided by the Newsvine "Bush is the focus of all evil" caucus which is to say about 70% of the active members here.

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    #2.8 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:39 PM EST
    {"commentId":5510196,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    My plan is the end of proselytizing and unnecessary conversions. It is rooted in a Christocracy of Dual Messiahs, which changes our approach to a great many things. Their joining, as the union of two Eagles, is the consummation of all our prophetic hopes, changing the nature of life as we know it.

    There are two biblically anticipated Christs, Jesus Christ and His successor, the Good Antichrist. The two Christs are Moshiach ben David and Moshiach ben Joseph:

    "Pre-Christian Jews widely embraced a messianic expectation that varied from time and place",

    http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/31/1196503-pre-christian-jews-widely-embraced-a-messianic-expectation-that-varied-from-time-and-place

    and;

    "Do the Jews expect Dual Messiahs?",

    http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/20/1177851-do-the-jews-expect-dual-messiahs

    The Good Antichrist is modeled after Moshiach ben Joseph. Therefore most, if not all, of the features of the Good Antichrist should find their correspondence in the life of the biblical patriarch Joseph. In modern terms, Joseph was a civil servant. He, like Daniel, worked under a governmental authority. So it would not be unspeakable to think that the Good Antichrist could work as an advisor or in some other capacity in connection with the Coalition effort(s) in the Middle East. The work of the Good Antichrist would complement rather than compete with those who have gone before him: Petraeus, Gates, etc.

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    #2.9 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":5513952,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    Perhaps Judge-574295 and Bill Harrison can join in the messianic banquet. There are plenty of seats at the table.

    My motto: If you are not against me, you are with me.

    This motto is unlike another motto: You are either with us, or you are against us.

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    #2.10 - Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":5515772,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    Why would I be against you. I have indicated otherwise. Admittedly, I don't subscribe to all of what you say, but I look at our leaders and generals and they are stunned to contradictory immobility. Apparently, we are now going to defeat these guys with the Peace Corps. So when offered a plan to get from any point A to any point B, which so refresshingly unique, AND allows for admitting the most basic and most unifying characteristic of the adversary, fundamentalist Islam, which SHOULD be like admitting that molten lava is hot, but not allowed, then I turn my army over to any man who seems to get anything at all.

    Even if your plan is not influenced by petty and superfluous pressures like...time, a thousand years is more promising that what I have seen so far.

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    #2.11 - Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:12 AM EST
    {"commentId":5519901,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    Judge-574295,

    I am not clear whether comment #2.11 was intended for me, but if so, rest assured that my reference to the messianic banquet is a symbolic way of extending welcome, fellowship, and celebration. Peace to you.

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    #2.12 - Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:06 PM EST
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    {"commentId":5462502,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

    And it appears that Russia is being particularly unhelpful by apparently bribing Kyrgyzstan to close Manas air base, a vital hub for personnal and supplies.

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    Reply#3 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":5464732,"authorDomain":"kpeltonen85"}

    Russia has offered alternative routes for American supplies. Still, the less America they have around them, the happier they are. Happy is very relative for the Russian hierarchy, however.

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    #3.1 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:01 PM EST
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    {"commentId":5464742,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    Quagmiristan.

    The article, without necessarily intending to, illustrates why Iraq is more significant. If nothing else, it is winnable. The reverse, losing, is a more significant problem than "losing" in Afghanistan, whereas we started out with Afghanistan already lost. Of course it wasn't long ago that Iraq was not considered winnable, and many still cling to the possibility of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

    What you (and Petraeus) describe as the differences in culture, including "a history of centralized government in Iraq, a cosmopolitan country with a tradition of cohesion," adding...a significant number of educated citizens, and, adding, enough differences to require consideration of governing with at least some laws not straight out of the Koran, Afghanistan's courts just sentenced two men to twenty years, but not to death, for translating the Koran. Another man faced death as a reporter reporting something that was considered unfavorable to Islam.

    So while we are chasing the Taliban all about, they are sitting on the courts in the government we support. The options have become about which fundamentalists we can get on our side, while convincing ourselves that we have accomplished something long term, if the fundamentalist works for us for awhile.

    Doesn't all that miss the point? Islamic fundmentalists who cannot find that much wrong with the ideals of ...Islamic fundamentalists, the idea of Jihad against the enemies of Islam, etc?

    Beyond that, there is no way that Obama will commit to endless losses over many years. That is probably the assessment of Pakistan in their deal with Western Pakistan. A long term problem vs the justified doubt in any committments from Obama, and a realization of the reality MISSING from many American analysts, that Islamic fundamentalism is more complicated and more problematic than "getting Usama."

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    Reply#4 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:01 PM EST
    {"commentId":5469210,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    I am not convinced that Afghanistan can be won militarily. Have not the objectives of the United States pertaining to Afghanistan already been achieved? Al-Qaeda has been uprooted and the Taliban; i.e., the government that gave safe haven to Al-Qaeda, has been displaced.

    Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, at least whatever remains of them, are hiding in Pakistan; so, is not the primary question that of war with nuclear-armed Pakistan, rather than nation building in Afghanistan?

    You are quite correct in your assessment that the root issue is the "Islamic revolutionary movement", which is fascist and thereby antagonistic to democratic values. Fascism is best combatted by the removal of its totalitarian leadership. Toward this objective, finding and removing (dead or alive) Osama bin Laden is a legitimate reason for ramping up the war effort in Southwest Asia. But I am not convinced that putting thousands of Coalition soldiers in harms way is the best method of taking out a fascist leadership. Intelligence inside Pakistan and drone missiles would probably be more effective.

    Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda, Sunni-based, are a short-term manifestation of the larger problem of the "Islamic revolutionary movement", which for all modern intents and purposes originated with the Shia in Iran. The cross-sectarian manifestation of violence as a method of spreading Islam proves the appeal of the "Islamic revolutionary movement". A final solution will have to address the religious dimension while setting the political bounds of Islam.

    I know how to do this. With all the might of the West, why cannot anyone in power do so?

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    Reply#5 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM EST
    {"commentId":5469977,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    "I know how to do this..."

    The rest of your comment makes sense. So, continue.

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    #5.1 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:15 PM EST
    {"commentId":5473564,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    There truly is a global struggle underway, a religious Clash of the Titans, so to speak.

    DUAL MESSIAHS

    My theology is built upon the notion of Dual Messiahs, Jesus Christ and the Good Antichrist. The Bible, explicitly and by allusion, makes clear that from the beginning there was to be two Christs.

    Their identifying characteristics, roles, and functions are referenced throughout the Bibles as "signs and wonders".

    While students of prophecy have long anticipated the arrival of the Antichrist, they have erred in concluding that his or her function is bad. This is rooted in the mistaken assumption that Jesus Christ is the sole messiah anticipated by Scripture. When corrected to include the notion of Dual Messiahs, it becomes apparent from a second reading of Scripture that the Antichrist is good and his or her work is complementary to that of Jesus Christ. The specific role of the Good Antichrist is to lead the Jews into their national, messianic restoration.

    MESSIANIC AUTHORITY

    Once the validity of the doctrine of Dual Messiahs is established, and the identity of the Good Antichrist proven beyond any reasonable doubt; then it becomes evident he or she has authority to speak on God's behalf in the same manner as found in Mark 9:7,

    "And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

    By virtue of his or her "divine" standing, the Good Antichrist is elevated above the cacophony of other voices. His or her conduit to God uniquely equips the Good Antichrist to possess the strong superhuman influence necessary to guide the world into the principles characterizing the prophesied Millennium, a thousand years of peace.

    UPDATING RELIGION

    Solidarity Theology paves the way for a comprehensive Middle East peace by harmonizing the Holy Scriptures of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. It shows that the Good Antichrist is the selfsame Jewish Messiah, Christian Antichrist (of the Dual Messiahs), and Muslim Mahdi. The appearance of the Good Antichrist thus revives faith, hope, and ethical conduct by showing that God is aware and ever-present and has made provision for His human children in their time of need.

    A NEW PROPHETIC BOOK

    According to the prophecies, the synchronizing of the three monotheistic faiths under a single archetypal savior will succeed. At some point a book must be published (Revelation 10) that will constitute a major replay/reinterpretation of the Apocalypse. Only the Good Antichrist can accomplish this feat because the Apocalypse is none other than his life story, the autobiography of his role on the world stage. But to be properly and suddenly produced, a book requires a budget. No budget; no book.

    No person or government has stepped forth and stated, "I am convinced that you are on to something here. How can I help you?"

    I have the luxury of patience. If all human attempts must first fail before someone with a budget is willing to risk special operations, then so be it. Americans will continue to die in Iraq and Afghanistan. The world economy will continue to disintegrate. All will continue to proceed as I have predicted.

    On Newsvine I have seeded quite a lot of original material in articles and comments sufficiently to stimulate perceptive thinkers about the legitimacy of my assertions.

    I do not have a moral obligation to do what I cannot do. Without a budget I cannot and will not do a thing to lift the heavy burdens of those outside my immediate circle of control.

    ROLE OF IRAQ

    After reading Micah 4, especially verse 10, no one can mistake the path to peace in the Middle East. A FEMALE MESSIAH FINDS HER WAY TO JERUSALEM THROUGH THE BACK DOOR OF BABYLON.

    See "The Path to Peace in 'Micah'",

    http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/22/1181556-the-path-to-peace-in-micah

    I agree with you that the invasion of Iraq was a correct decision, even if the rationale was unproven. From a prophetic point of view, the taking of Iraq is a precursor to the peace of Jerusalem, and from there eventually to the rest of the world. So even though the results in regard to the War on Terrorism are not readily apparent, even Afghanistan will eventually benefit.

    TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF ISLAM

    When I write "setting the political bounds of Islam", I mean setting territorial limits.

    WIZARD OF OZ EFFECT

    In popular terms, I am advocating a Wizard of Oz policy. The Wizard of Oz had a dual identity. Publicly, his persona was fearful and terrible; yet, Emerald City was well-regulated and prosperous under his rule. But when the curtain was drawn aside, the personal Wizard of Oz was shown to be sensitive and wise. He revealed the secrets in the hearts of those who sought his counsel, thus guiding them into their own sense of freedom.

    I advocate harnessing the power of millennia of myth and religion to evoke a powerful energy on behalf of peacemaking, the power of a spiritual shock and awe. But not fiction, like the Wizard of Oz. If a wonder-worker were to appear with the credibility of a Savior of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam -- all in one person -- he would command a formidable authority to reform the world and probably avoid World War III.

    I claim that this person is alive today, and I know him.

    As Mahdi, he could command Al-Qaeda to stand down or die. He would have greater authority than the Supreme Leader of Iran; thus, he could command the discontinuation of their nuclear program, along with any question or fear of an Islamic bomb. He could command Pakistan to divest itself of nuclear weapons.

    As the Antichrist successor of Jesus Christ, he could resolve such conundrums as abortion and homosexuality in the Church.

    As the Jewish Messiah, he could rebuild the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount without fear of reprisal from Muslims (because he is also the Mahdi). He could make the Temple a House of Prayer for ALL people. He could regather his Jews from afar and use his own and their wisdom to restructure a global economy along just and perpetual lines. He could formulate an abiding constitution for Israel; incorporate the full covenant domains of messianic Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates; and, restore seventh-day Sabbath-keeping to its rightful place therein.

    Lastly, I have written at length about Islamic fascism and the need for the West to combat it: "Does Daniel 8 predict war with Iran?"

    http://amberneve.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/06/2082863-does-daniel-8-predict-war-with-iran

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    #5.2 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:52 PM EST
    {"commentId":5483488,"authorDomain":"kpeltonen85"}

    I think you're taking an unbelievably fantastical view on what's happening in the Middle East. The explanation on why there is so much strife and bloodshed is better, if not completely explained by sociology, psychology, and history.

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    #5.3 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM EST
    {"commentId":5484951,"authorDomain":"Roybean"}

    Kpel,

    I would make NK the commanding general, if not for"luxury of patience," which does not exist in political leaders.

    Otherwise, he seems to understand the issues, AND he seems to understand that the problem cannot be solved by mindless avoidance of the central problem of religion.

    So, while I am not counting on him to implement his plan, at least he will fail without pretending that religion is not the central issue in Islamic fundamentalism, in a place where it does not get more fundamental.

    There, your "sociology, psychology, and history" are all part of the same death grip....Islam.

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    #5.4 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:46 AM EST
    {"commentId":5490671,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    "Sociology, psychology, and history". Academics, politicians, and armies have failed to resolve the Middle East. I am not employed by anyone. I am not affiliated with anyone. I have not been taught the things about which I write, yet I seem to see more than them all. How do you explain this?

    Truly this is either one of the greatest hoaxes of history; or, it is the biggest event of the last two thousand years. You must decide.

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    #5.5 - Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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    {"commentId":5470801,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

    If something is worth saying it follows that it might be worthwhile to repeat it. The following comes from a comment I made just today to a Killfile article:

    It worked in Japan and Germany. It worked in Korea. I kept telling the powers that be it would work in Vietnam. It could and has to a degree worked in Iraq. It can work in Afghanistan. Station American troops peaceably (as protectors) in the country. Pay them well. Turn them loose on the local community. Try it, you will like it!

    That paragraph seemed to be appropriate here as well. While we are at it, Colonel, can you or anyone else on this thread explain to me why we, the American people, should be guided by anything coming from our supposed military experts when we are now living the proof of our financial and economic experts? I remember well as an early veteran of a tour in Vietnam that I returned to the States and to my Advanced Course. The tactics lessons were conducted as if we were fighting over the lands of Europe. When I tried to explain to the Artillery School that shoot, move and communicate would not work in the Delta rice paddies as it did on the French beaches I was laughed at. On my second and third tours I was able to say, "I told you so." So I am telling you again.

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    Reply#6 - Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:03 PM EST
    {"commentId":5528499,"authorDomain":"jackjacobs"}

    You are not the only one who looks beyond the ineptitude of civilian leaders to those who provide them with expert advice, and you are quite correct to be disappointed. The National Security Council and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are supposed to provide the president with unbiased advice, unconstrained by service parochialism or choking bureaucracy---because they are designed to have neither. But both organizations have failed often.

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    #6.1 - Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:39 AM EST
    {"commentId":5529137,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

    Col. Jack Jacobs, thank you for your reply. You seem to be one of the few that we see on screen who actually answers to their Newsvine Community. It means a lot when those in the media actually acknowledge there are people out here paying attention. Thanks for being here.

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    #6.2 - Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:25 AM EST
    {"commentId":5529158,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    I would like to second oldfogey's thoughts in this matter. Thank you, Col. Jacobs.

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    #6.3 - Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:27 AM EST
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    {"commentId":5727062,"authorDomain":"joe-bourguignon"}

    Our Joint Chiefs of Staff have become what the OKW was to the German war efforts of WWII; busy fretting about little dumb things. If Gen Patreaus (Spelling?) had gone to the JCS to confirm w/White house staff and administration about just paying Iraqi factions to not fight and kill each other and U.S. Forces, who knows where we'd be at with that country right now.

    Military always preaches "Initiative", he took it and ran with it. Had Rommel not followed directives and moved his divisions to the beaches, then Omaha, Utah, Gold, Juno and Sword beaches would be revered as Eisenhowers biggest failure.

    The JCS is as effective as the U.N. They've muddled into what Special Forces really stands for and created JSOC and SOCOM; garbage! Just another reason for staffers and Policy writers to fluff their own Evals with "experience" with Special Ops without the comittment of having to serve in full-capacity, full course requirements, i.e., Q-course, BUDS/UDT, etc.

    If you stand your ground in Afghanistan, you've got to involve yourself in Pakistan; you cant eat just half an oreo cookie! Until Pakistan as a govt stands on its own to this extreme influence and makes a determination like all nations to stand up to terrorism, we will be chasing these guys forever, from every country-sponsored host to another. Perhaps with the incidents in Mumbai and Sri Lanka, that might sway the efforts to the positive but you've got to give those involved incentive; How to out-influence the drug money gained from Opium?

    Extreme views, heck, I bet the British called us Terrorists back in the days of the Colonies!

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      Reply#7 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:01 AM EST
      {"commentId":5735089,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

      "How to out-influence the drug money gained from Opium?"

      This is how to deal with the drug trade: Genetically modify the DNA of the plants from which drugs like opium and cocaine are derived, by introducing into it a poison from another plant, such as a poison mushroom. Seed the crop fields from the air. When drug user start getting sick or dying, well, you can imagine . . .

      Am I honestly serious? Yes. I have a theory that much of the world's turmoil stems from the drug trade and laundering drug money.

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      #7.1 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST
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      {"commentId":5727659,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

      Col. Jacobs, do you think Pakistan's ceding control of SWAT to the Tribal leaders/Taliban will actually allow us more latitude in that area, that is to say it will prevent Pakistan from having a case concerning our violating it's sovereignty in conducting raids to kill or capture Taliban and Al Qaeda?

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      Reply#8 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:05 AM EST
      {"commentId":6555921,"authorDomain":"bella-costa76"}

      The military is the government's puppets, bribing them with money, financial security and housing, so that they will fight some stupid bull@!$%# that they won't fight themselves! Why many young people take this risk for hope of a better future, but many are not given that chance because they are killed while being involved in some stupid bull@!$%# and wars they don't even believe in fighting. So it is a risk one has to be willing to take, but I think it is better if they are passionate in what they are doing and believe in what they are doing and what there mission is, I just wonder what percentage actually do? It's a bunch of political adult f'd up middle east brain washed, brain f'd minds, so stupid! I wonder what would happen if we sent nobody to the middle east and brought all troups back? I think we should give it a try and take that risk and see what happens. If terrorist want to do something here they will still do it regardless if we are there or not, or what, was 911 a cry for help, do they want us to save them or what! Why are we fighting other people's wars, if they are too dumb to dig themselves out of a hole, oh well, but people from there and everywhere else just come to out country freely and make it there home because theirs is too f'd up, while innocent american's are going to their countries and dying! People are stupid and need to get off their power trip and realize we are all just trying to exist in this world!

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        Reply#9 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:08 AM EDT
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