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Decision Time On Afghanistan

For some time, it has been clear that there has not been progress against the Taliban in Afghanistan, and there was widespread speculation that General Stanley McChrystal, who runs the operation, needs more troops than the 68,000 already allocated. Now we know that things are quite a bit worse than that: a leaked report from General McChrystal says that without more resources---troops, money, time---our mission to get the Afghans to defend themselves against the Taliban will fail.

The president's public response, that he will not commit Americans until there is a viable strategy, is vapid rhetoric, since we are already engaged there and he has already increased the footprint. To do so without first determining the objective conditions for victory is contrary to most decision-making principles, and President Obama now finds himself seated among previous leaders---George Bush and Lyndon Johnson, for example---who also made military commitments without much idea how he was going to deliver.

Obama began painting himself into this corner long ago, when he was making many campaign promises with little understanding of the intricacies of the problems or how he was going to negotiate the labyrinth of politics to provide solutions. Universal health care, a laudable goal in the abstract, sounded like a splendid idea, for example. And so did getting out of Iraq (the bad war) to concentrate on Afghanistan (the good war).

Obama inherited, and appears to endorse, a singularly nonsensical and ahistorical notion: that Afghanistan is a country and can be governed from Kabul. And so it was not surprising that there was great consternation when it was reported that the recent Afghan election was riddled with fraud. When you have encouraged people to expect western-style democracy in a place where there has never been anything like it, you are only establishing the basis for disappointment and distress.

The Congress, which decides what activities will get funded and which ones will not, is already working itself into a state of high dudgeon on the subject of more troops for Afghanistan, and whatever decision is made will be followed by acrimonious hearings.

Meanwhile, this is a major point of inflection in the American attempt to keep Islamic revolutionaries at bay. The president is being squeezed by military leaders, who know what they need to be effective, and by Congress, who has no stomach for a long-term commitment to any enterprise. The president's campaign rhetoric will drive him to do something, but there is always a danger that he will feel constrained by politics to make the worst possible decision: a sub-optimal number of troops, not enough to avert disaster but just enough to be costly.

Similar situations in the past may provide a painful hypothetical situation in which military officers at the top of the food chain must decide if they will persevere with insufficient resources, as ordered, or refuse to play any part in a losing enterprise that will cost us dearly and achieve nothing of importance.

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To do so without first determining the objective conditions for victory is contrary to most decision-making principles

I think we would first need to re-examine the reasoning that brought us to Afghanistan. Was it to vanquish Al Qaeda or the Taliban, both? Bring the ringleaders of 9/11 to justice? Or to provide some sense of vengence after 9/11 by just doing something?

From a layman's perspective... subordinates will always wish to cover their backsides with requests for more money and manpower, unless they are absolutely clear as to the objective.

The focus of our mission in Afghanistan has been tragically blurred and it is Obama's responsibility to clearly identify/redefine what the objective(s) is(are) for Afghanistan, imho.

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Reply#1 - Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":9631288,"authorDomain":"matthew-babiarz"}

I think that we missed the opportunity to truly kill the cancer that is Al qaeda back during the Tora Bora offensive. Since then the ideology has metastasized and infected many corners of the world. The goal of confronting Islamic fundamentalism is no longer best served by slogging it out with Taliban remnants, especially when there are far more important targets sitting over the border in Pakistan. As far as nation building in Afghanistan is concerned, who the hell cares. Sure our aim of a democratic (sort of) government running Afghanistan from Kabul is a great idea, but will never work. This country has even less a tradition of democratic institutions and principles than Iraq. It is a highly insular country with a strong focus on local strength. Call me what you will, but I honestly feel no responsibility to help the Afghan people better themselves. As I see it, we went there to defeat Al Qaeda, that goal is no longer viable given the movement's current nature, therefore we should no longer commit vast numbers of troops to try to make Afghanistan a better place. Certainly keep an eye on what goes on there in the even that we see the same types of safe havens crop up, but the need for a large scale conventional forces presence has come and gone.

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Reply#2 - Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":9653504,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

The Sunday, 9-13-09, edition of Fareed Zakaria GPS was devoted to the topic of Afghanistan.

Fareed Zakaria argued in favor of the West staying the course in Afghanistan. I nodded my head to the right and left, donned a frown, and whispered to myself, "There you go again". It seems as though I frequently disagree with Fareed Zakaria.

I do not think there is an over-riding reason for a continued Coalition presence in Afghanistan, other than a support mission. I would have turned to the camera and said, "But I speak to you, Pakistan and India. I will make you a deal. If you work together as the primary actors to resolve Afghanistan to the satisfaction of the international community, then I will take it upon myself to resolve Kashmir for you".

An obvious question is, "What would be the metrics of success?"

Senator Lindsey Graham, in a different context, has proposed the following points for success in Afghanistan:

1. A viable government that is responsive to the needs of its people; a government that is not necessarily a Jeffersonian democracy;

2. A nation at peace with its neighbors;

3. A nation that is not a haven for Al-Qaeda.

I would add:

Delivery to the West of the Top Ten Most Wanted Al-Qaeda figures, dead or alive.

Violent fascism lives or dies along with its senior leadership. This is the principle that is key to its defeat.

I think that in formulating a comprehensive policy on Afghanistan, we must distinguish between Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

The Taliban did not fly planes into the Twin Towers.

I recommend negotiating terms of repatriation of the Taliban.

Severing ties with (renouncing) Al-Qaeda is a given. The process of determining the other terms would benefit from the involvement of relevant regional parties, including Pakistan and India.

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Reply#3 - Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:52 PM EDT
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Obama began painting himself into this corner long ago, when he was making many campaign promises with little understanding of the intricacies of the problems or how he was going to negotiate the labyrinth of politics to provide solutions. Universal health care, a laudable goal in the abstract, sounded like a splendid idea, for example. And so did getting out of Iraq (the bad war) to concentrate on Afghanistan (the good war).

20 million out of work? Universal Healthcare is a must. How much do we owe the Chinese? They would like nothing more than to see US go more into debt with them. Bottom line is we can`t afford this war that will not win US anything even if we do win.

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Reply#4 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":9687465,"authorDomain":"bernie-valentine"}

Here's the problem, as summarized in this excerpt quote from a haystack post on Redstate:

"On February 17, 2009 (just about a month after swearing an oath to defend his Country against all enemies foreign and domestic) it was reported that Barack Obama was committing an additional 17,000 troops to the Afghanistan “conflict” in order “[t]o meet urgent security needs.”

On March 27, 2009 Barack Obama “announced a comprehensive, new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan that is the culmination of a careful 60-day, interagency strategic review,” suggesting that:

We are in Afghanistan to confront a common enemy that threatens the United States, our friends and allies, and the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan who have suffered the most at the hands of violent extremists. So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future…To achieve our goals, we need a stronger, smarter and comprehensive strategy.”

Two days later, on March 29, 2009 it was reported that Barack Obama was committing “4,000 troops to Afghanistan along with hundreds of civilian specialists in an effort to confront what he considers “the central challenge facing [that] country.” Now the master of indecisiveness is promising “to announce new strategies for both countries Friday” (September 25, 2009)."

"Waffling" is not a policy.

As our troops continue in harm's way, we find that there really has been no policy other than that of the usual politcal reactions.

We should all know by now that the "War on Terror" or our "fight against islamic extremism" is not found just in the mountains of Afghanistan. It will be one of our overall exercise of International Security and reaction to Global Intelligence un-inhibited by the hinderance of "political correctness"!

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Reply#5 - Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":9698766,"authorDomain":"matthew-babiarz"}

I agree Bernie. Saying you have to asses the strategy before making a decision on troop strength does not solve the problem. The administration istrying to delay having to make a decision on Afghanistan until after the healthcare fight is over. In the meantime our guys are just standing by to stand by, with no clear distance or direction to take the fight. Your absolutley correct, waffling is not a strategy.

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    #5.1 - Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":9701398,"authorDomain":"bernie-valentine"}

    Thanks, ....but the main point I wanted to make is that Obama had made an assessment prior to his election; had an opportunity to re-evaluate it all during the campaign; then to again make an assessment when officially elected.......then, made an assessment in Feb.....then another "comprehensive assessment" in March......now that it does seem to be working, he seems baffled or "reluctant" to react???? .....at the expense of our soldiers in the field. When you're wrong, your're wrong.....Someone needs to admit it and move on !!!

    How similar this looks to Vietnam...is simply disgusting!

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    #5.2 - Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:33 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":9805343,"authorDomain":"wandasimmons"}

    I also believe it is starting to sound much like Vietnam.

    My grandfather was killed in Afghanistan early last century when England was fighting there. Now my son is fighting there. I don't know about anyone else but I haven't seen that any of this has helped the Afghan people much.

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    Reply#6 - Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
    {"commentId":9814880,"authorDomain":"bernie-valentine"}

    The current dilemma that the administration finds themselves in is due to the fundamental defect in the way we fight our battles ever since the Korean War.

    We fight with "one hand tied behind our backs"....... you just can't expect to win that way! PERIOD!!!

    Make all the excuses you want about not upsetting the right...or the left...or the EU or the Chinese or the.......or risking escalation or whatever.....etc. etc.; but you won't win that way.

    So I say, stay out unless you fight to win! That may sound "idealistic" but its still unfortunately true!

    Back to Afghanistan......I think we find our political climate in such a state that a true escalation to win this relatively vague objective, overhaul the corrupt government, protect the rural population from extremists in the kind of terrain that we find it.......is unacceptable;

    and yet so is the "embarrassment" of a defacto pullout giving undeserved propaganda points to the extremist Taliban et.al.

    A real problem that only now adds to the Obama administration's headaches!!!

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    Reply#7 - Thu Oct 1, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
    {"commentId":10210877,"authorDomain":"llafaver-1"}

    As I have repeatedly commented, bring our troops home. If not, then stop fighting from fixed bases, where are troop strength can be counted and every move is observed and reported on to the insurgents. An idea: Since the insurgents, Taliban or Al "Q," are essentially fighting a guerilla war, let's do the same. Between 1965 and 1971, 5,000 United States Marines did conduct such fighting in Vietnam. The 5,000 were volunteers who participated in what was called the Combined Action Program or CAP. The CAP troops fought in units consisting of 14 Marines, 1 Navy corpsman and approximately 20 Popular Forces troops. They were located within a village or hamlet. Each unit was on its own. The units had virtually no artillery or air support. Under the cover of dusk the units would send out ambushes and relocate for the night. There were 114 such units strategically scattered from Chu Lai to the DMZ. They lived and fought in the bush guerilla style. Some spent as much as six months without returning to a rear area. This information was provided to me by a friend, one of the CAP Marines.

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      Reply#8 - Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":10240342,"authorDomain":"cookaerospace"}

      I would suggest that winning in Afghanistan is a necessary component of denying al Qaida any safe haven whatsoever (and to make a statement to any nation even considering covertly harboring al Qaida or similar anti-US jihadists) and also gains we Americans increased assurance that one or several of our major cities won't suddenly blow up.

      Simply to cry, "Woe to us, woe to us, nothing at all can make us safe," is to adopt a pessimism so hopeless as to lead to insanity.

      Cessna, I think you have an overly romantic view of the Vietnam War. Believe me, it is better to fight from a bunker than from behind a bush. It is better to have air support like a flight of B-52's carpet bombing all around your position then to have to beg for hours to get just one missile fired from a drone. If there is artillery in the area, it is better that it be 155's than 105's. That's my humble opinion, especially when the young American on the front line is one of my nephews or grandkids.

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        Reply#9 - Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:24 AM EDT
        {"commentId":10506161,"authorDomain":"robert-e--bennett"}

        Re Col. Jack Jacobs comments on Afganistan: As a Vietnam Vet, I say don't cut and run, but instead reinforce the weak points whatever they are: civilian or military and keep the Taliban, like the VC, on the defensive so that a central government can be established like in Iraq. Iraq was a good war. Afganistan is like fighting the Apache indians.

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          Reply#10 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM EST
          {"commentId":10507058,"authorDomain":"robert-e--bennett"}

          I think Col. Jack Jacobs is right on. We need reinforcement, not backpedalling. Smash the Taliban.

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            Reply#11 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:33 PM EST
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