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Russia, Get The Message Yet?

Russia's chief of domestic intelligence has reported to President Medvedev that a bomb was the cause of the deadly train wreck that left 25 people dead and more than 100 injured. If Russia ever required evidence that it needs to be on our side in curbing terrorism, and in blocking the aspirations of nations that sponsor it, this should be it.

Chief among those who support the activities of terrorists and revolutionaries is Iran, who, through both tangible and intangible means empowers those who seek to use violence to change the political face of the Islamic world. Meanwhile, Iran has resisted all American attempts to strip it of its nuclear capability and just last week was censured by the International Atomic Energy Agency. But this is nothing new, since the United Nations has been singularly unsuccessful in stopping Iran from its relentless quest, and Russia has been the country most resistant to these efforts.

There are several reasons why Russia has been an reluctant to put the squeeze on Iran, but two are most prominent.

For years, Moscow has had strong economic ties to Teheran, and there are numerous joint-venture arrangements in the energy industry that bind the countries together. As south and east Asian nations have embarked on rapid development, their appetite for fossil fuels has soared, making the immediate future for Russso-Iranian ventures bright and motivating Russia to do nothing to imperil them.

In addition, for the last two decades Russia has viewed America as expansionist and has been reluctant to do anything we ask for fear of empowering us further. We have absorbed most of the former Soviet satellites into NATO, have worked hard to emplace anti-missile systems in eastern Europe, and have insinuated ourselves into southwest Asia---all of which scare an already paranoid Russia.

To Russian leadership---whose operational characteristics have not changed very much in the last several centuries---it matters less that it faces Muslim revolutionaries inside its own border than it faces what it perceives to be challenges from the United States. And so it is not surprising that every American attempt to enlist Moscow's support to de-claw Iran has met with failure. Russia has been advising restraint for years, and the result has been that the Iranian threat has been growing. In the UN's Security Council, Russia can veto meaningful action against sponsors of terrorism, and it has done so time and time again.

Occasionally it takes a shocking catastrophe to change a nation's outlook, and perhaps this train explosion is that event. But don't count on it. If history is any indication, most countries are reactive and usually do nothing until it's too late for anything but extreme, destabilizing and destructive measures.

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{"commentId":10926461,"authorDomain":"geneabrams"}

The author is basically right about the reasons (especially political ones)why Russia has to do business with Iran.

As for implications of any ideological influence on terrorism in Russia or its support from the Islamic world, Iran has nothing to do with it. It is an established fact that the main ideological and financial sponsor of the Islamic terrorism in Russia has always been Saudi Arabia - a staunch USA ally and a birthplace of most of 9/11 terrorists including their evil leader Bin Laden.

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Reply#1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:33 AM EST
{"commentId":10928148,"authorDomain":"simosimodesu"}

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this article. The Islamic terrorists in Russia are mostly hard-line Wahhabists, who hate Iran much more than they do Russia. And they are mostly supported by the USA's good old friend Saudi Arabia. An Al-Qaeda commander once said that if they had nuclear missiles, they would fire the FIRST one at Tehran and then the second one at Tel Aviv, the implication being that the radical Sunni Islamists in Chechnia, Afghanistan, etc. view "heretic" Shi'as as worse enemies than non-Muslims. And Russia has been very strong in fighting Islamist terrorists within it's borders throughout its history. Believe me, those terrorists and anyone related to them will likely be dead very, very soon.

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Reply#2 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:22 PM EST
{"commentId":10928907,"authorDomain":"sari3176"}

I agree with the first two posters-apparently, the author of this article can't tell the difference between a Wahabi and wasabi.

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    Reply#3 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":10930742,"authorDomain":"slimdude59"}

    Putin will make a couple calls and BAM! It's dust in the wind.Monday morning, business as usual at the refinery.Isn't capitalism great!

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      Reply#4 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:36 PM EST
      {"commentId":10935515,"authorDomain":"tom-1493147Tom-1493147"}

      Col. Jacobs states two facts: Russia experienced a terrorist event and Iran is recognized as a leading supporter of terrorism around the world. Everything else is speculation and wishful thinking.

      Imagine how America would have looked had they gone after Iran following the Oklahoma City bombing. Without a positive connection, Russia is right to be hesitant in its actions.

      I do agree with the point Russia needs to be more proactive in supporting the abolition of world terrorism, but this can be said for most countries. Do not hold up the United Nations as an example of Russia not doing its part. The United Nations is a toothless dog which is mostly bark (sanctions) and one that if it does bite it doesn’t hurt because of the lack of teeth – you need only look at what happened in Iraq with Saddam Hussein to see the truth of this. If we can see it, so can the rest of the world. Note North Korea and Iran’s thumbing of their noses to UN sanctions – no teeth.

      The solution is not to point at one country, but at all countries. A vote for sanctions carrying the majority of all members with specific steps for consequences following the failure to correct the reason for the sanctions would carry considerable weight if the steps are followed. The world is bigger than the Security Council. Perhaps it is time for it to take an advisory role rather than one that dictates policy and let the rest of the world have a say in how the world will address its problems.

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      Reply#5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:48 AM EST
      {"commentId":10936313,"authorDomain":"geminivl"}

      Great article and I believe hits its mark very well.

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        Reply#6 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:08 AM EST
        {"commentId":10936526,"authorDomain":"bobschoos"}

        The situation in that part of the world is far more complicated than it is described in the articles, but, as usual, the right wing press in America --the anti Obama camp-- is exploiting the ignorance of my compatriots to achieve its own self righteous agenda. The enemies of America are not outside, they are within. bob schoos 

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        Reply#7 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:35 AM EST
        {"commentId":10937315,"authorDomain":"RomanK"}

        bob schoos: What planet did you come from?? the right wing press???? You're right. The enemies are within. I bet 90% of all media have Liberal Leftist agendas. This government is socializing everything and you blame a few right wing goofballs?? With your thinking you are also part of the problem.

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          Reply#8 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:54 AM EST
          {"commentId":11182935,"authorDomain":"fintax"}

          you want to see lefties look at Europe. what passes for liberalism in the US is centrism in most places. for some reason anyone who doesn't believe in nation building and so-called preemptive wars is a liberal loony.

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            #8.1 - Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:58 PM EST
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            {"commentId":10937611,"authorDomain":"cookaerospace"}

            I spent August in Russia and was surprised at the cultural diversity in the major cities. A lot of Asian and African-looking people are churning around in Moscow and St. Petersburg and even secret police would be hard-pressed to keep up with the potential threats.

            The bombing of the Nevski Express, however, smacks of something more sophisticated than your average jihadist. The bomb used was small and it detonated under the three private cars at the rear of the train. Probably it was targeting specific individuals and probably it took a lot of timely intelligence info to set this up and carry it off.

            So what I am proposing is that sometimes apparent terrorist acts (like burning down apartment complexes) may not be quite what they seem. Would you take the assignment as an investigative journalist in Russia to puzzle this out?

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            Reply#9 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:21 AM EST
            {"commentId":10974650,"authorDomain":"kevinshinn"}
            Would you take the assignment as an investigative journalist in Russia to puzzle this out?

            Ah, I have something else I really must do right now; you go ahead!

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            #9.1 - Tue Dec 1, 2009 3:14 PM EST
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            {"commentId":10938038,"authorDomain":"boxerjohnLomita"}

            Oh, if we could just wean ourselves from foreign oil. It's only a small sacrafice but it is far better to do something now than deal with the destruction and devastation that surely lies ahead. Here is my idea. President Obama and all of the leaders of the western nations or oil consuming nations declare a world wide ban on the use of oil for one day a week, that day being universal in all of the oil consuming nations. All consumption stops for just that day. Of course the greedy will "fill up" a few days before so they can enjoy their luxuries but they too will get the message that we all must cooperate to make this thing work. Imagine the savings and the immediate stockpiles of oil. Even the suggestion of such an idea would shake the oil producing nations to their knees. A sacrafice this small would have a huge impact across the globe. Write your Congressmen, the President. The American people are very resilent and could easily survive this small sacrafice for 24 hours or 96 hours a month. In the process we are only giving a little and will gain a hell of lot more in the short run and the long. Remember when President Nixon had us driving at only 55 mph? That had a huge impact. As the saying goes, "sometimes little things mean a lot..."

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              Reply#10 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:54 AM EST
              {"commentId":10974796,"authorDomain":"kevinshinn"}

              55 mph national speed limit? That was actually President Carter's doing.

              It sure did have a big impact, all right, particularly in the vast Western States in the U.S. where it already takes forever to get from place to place: it sealed his name as Mudd out there, where they were already upset with him for cutting off grain sales to the Soviet Union over the Afghanistan invasion.

              And you thought the Iran hostage crisis cost him the election...

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              #10.1 - Tue Dec 1, 2009 3:21 PM EST
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              {"commentId":10939505,"authorDomain":"stooch"}

              john. you are a GENIUS. Awesome. ban oil for a week... lets see, the price of oil will skyrocket on the black market, all the oil producing nations have to do is wait as our economy grinds to a halt and then triple the price to make up for any losses. they know we need it... Think about it... our train systems needs diesel, our supermarkets are supplied with trucks, our commerce is 100% dependent on oil to deliver goods... oil is used in MUCH MUCH more than just gasoline, more than half of all products contain oil derived components. seriously, educate yourself.

              that was the most short sighted and dumbass post ive seen in a long time. seriously, please refrain from making a mockery of yourself by posting such uneducated crap. The real problem for america is clearly our level of education and consumerist society with a lack of self control. I think we should focus on our internal problems before trying to preach to the rest of the world... america need to stop the antagonist stance and make more friends in the world if we hope to influence anyone... doing it by force will just further alienate us... the falling dollar price is a hint... we better take it.

              by the way, im not a pundit, im an independent, and every time i hear "its just the talk of a leftist" or "republicans are this or democrats are that" i hear uneducated, ignorant people who distil complex issues into black and white. how do we expect to work with the rest of the world if we are such myopic simpletons and cant even get along internally? I think that our unilateral actions in iraq and afghanistan will ensure that no one will ever back us for anything else. as is, our military is bogged down anyway, so iran knows that we are all bark and no bite...

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                Reply#11 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:50 PM EST
                {"commentId":10948327,"authorDomain":"rthiebaud"}

                Stooge - you mispelled your name! how hard should it be to remember that?

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                  Reply#12 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:04 AM EST
                  {"commentId":10952339,"authorDomain":"tom-carter"}

                  This analysis is right. And it isn't just this one blown-up train--the taking of the Nord-Ost theater, the attack on school children in Beslan, blown-up apartment buildings, and many other Muslim terrorist incidents. The Russians respond to the incidents with typical heavy-handed force, effective but costly in innocent lives. Unfortunately, they don't do a very good job of planning and preventive security.

                  I lived in Moscow for three years, traveled around the country, and speak Russian. I got to know the people pretty well. They're never going to take the subtle long view of anything. They'll pursue their own interests in all respects, and the only help they'll give another country is for an immediate and visible payoff. They're good people, as individuals, but as a society they are and always have been broken. We should never expect much from them, especially if we think they'll ever be reliable partners.

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                  Reply#13 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:46 AM EST
                  {"commentId":10974965,"authorDomain":"kevinshinn"}

                  No doubt you're right, Tom, but I still heartily approve of President Obama's efforts to mend fences with the Russians. In fact, I thought it the single most important thing he could do, for me success with that can cover a multitude of sins even.

                  Of course we'll largely see with his address at West Point tonight just how multitudinous these sins may be.

                  I think he'd better have something innovative and surprising up his sleeve, for all the consultations it took to reach this announcement.

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